Meeting
Minutes
AP* Retreat
Location: Busan Marriott Hotel,
Participants:
Abhisak Chulya (APIA/APRICOT), Bok-Gyu Joo (Hongik University), Ching Chiao (APTLD), David West (DENTE), Donyaprueth Krairit (AIT), Fay Sheu (TANeta), George McLaughlin (AARNet), Hirofumi HOTTA (JPRS), Ian Chiang (APTLD), Izumi AIZU (ANR), James Seng (IDA), Jeonghye Choi (IAK), JongHoon Park (KISDI), Kanchana Kanchanasut (AIT), Kapil Chawla (ISOC-India), Kazunori Konishi (APAN), Kilnam Chon (KAIST), Li-ping Chi (TWNIC), Ole Jacobsen (CISCO), Osang Kweon (KISDI), Paul Wilson (APNIC), Pensri A. (AIT), Peter Dengate Thrush (APTLD), Philip Smith (APOPS), Qian Hualin (CNNIC), Shigeki Goto (APAN/Waseda University), Suguru Yamaguchi (WIDE/JPCERT/AI3), Tommy Matsumoto (APNG), Toru Takahashi (IAJapan), Vincent WS Chen (TWNIC), Xing Li (CERNET), Yasuichi Kitamura (APAN), Yumi Ohashi (JPRS)
Meeting started at
1.
Roll Call
The meeting was chaired by Kilnam Chon. The chair explained the agenda and encouraged participation throughout the meeting. The chair then asked attendees to introduce themselves.
2.
AP* Organizations and Meeting Reports – Session Chair:
Pensri A.
2.1
APNetabuse/ APCAUSE Updates by Jeonghye
Choi
The presenter started with the major decision of the
past meeting, held in
2.2
APOPs by Philip Smith
The presenter gave a very short update on what was happening with APOPs.
- Open forum for discussing operational issues of regional significance
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Open forum for operational
information from each country in
- The main participants for APOPs include ISPs network engineers and network operators and, it is not a business function but more places for the network engineers.
- It was set up before actually came into the region and intended as Asia Pacific equivalent of North American NANOG, European EOF, and African AfNOG.
- Existed for many years as a mailing list
- Now also occupies a slot in the 6 monthly APNIC meeting.
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Brief a report from SANOG2, which
was a very successful event held in
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Update on INOC DBA system: Internet
in
- Carry on with operations group reports at future APNIC meetings and APRICOT Conferences?
- Forum for country or regional operators to meet, report and discuss?
2.3
APTLD Updates by Ian
Chiang
- Firstly, the presenter reviewed the physical meetings and on-line meetings held in 2003.
- A brief on APTLD’s activities:
§ Publishing APTLD bi-monthly e-newsletter (Jan, Mar, May & July)
§ 2003 Board Election in Feb
§ APTLD’s response to the ccNSO AG’s recommendations
§ Redesigning APTLD’s website on line at the end of April
- APTLD Constitution was approved in May but APTLD Incorporation is in process.
- Prof. Hualin Qian was appointed as ICANN Board, and Peter Dengate was nominated to serve on ccNSO Launching Group in July.
- And then, he came up with ongoing works to be done in the future like organizing some technical/ policy workshops in conjunction with APTLD meeting, and Database Management.
- Outreach:
§ To promote APTLD,
§ More concrete resolution follow-up to recruit new AP members
§ To strengthen cooperation with other regional TLDs/ international organizations
- Concerning APTLD’s Legal Status, he presented that they tried to complete APTLD Incorporation. Efforts are there to amend on the administrative tasks/ process in order to fulfill law requirements for the secretariat and, APTLD constitution in order to meet the future changes.
- Introduction with APTLD People – Board of Directors for 2003:
§ Ramesh Kumar Nadarajah/ .my (Chair)
§ Peter Dengate Thrush/ .nz (Senior Vice Chair)
§ Yumi Ohashi/ .jp (Vice Chair for Membership)
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§ Chris Disspain/ .au
§ Hualin Qian/ .cn
§ Richard Saint Clair/ .nu
§ Vincent WS Chen/ .tw
- Committees/ Working Groups organized: Membership WG, Sponsorship Program Sub-committee, Constitutional Committee, Technical Committee, Election Committee, and Liaisons with other regional TLDs.
- APTLD Current Members: .au/ .cc/ .cn/ .cx/ .hk/ .jp/ .kr/ .my/ .nu/ .nz/ .ph/ .sg/ .th/ .tj/ .tv/ .tw/ .vn
- Secretariat (TWNIC)
§ Executive Director: Dr. Vincent W. S. Chen
§ Administrative Coordinator: Joanna Tso (part-time)
§ Administrative Coordinator: Ian Chiang (full-time)
§ Policy Analyst: Ching Chiao (part-time)
§ Technical/ Accounting Support: TWNIC
- Advice to APTLD for jointly operating a tutorial with APRICOT and with SANOG
2.4
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The presenter took a little bit
back to APRICOT’s decision to merge with
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The objectives of
- Restructuring of the Board:
§
§ APRICOT Management Committee: Philip Smith – working closely with the local hosts who organized APRICOT year by year.
§ APRICOT Administration Committee: Vincent Chen
- Secretariat: PIKOM – Dr. Wong Say Ho/ Wendy Liew
- APRICOT itself tried to gather with all those AP organizations once a year. And now it is trying to broad the scope and to cover a lot other AP organization in coming year to use APRICOT brand to attract the participants.
- Stakeholders:
§ Current – APNIC, AP*, APOPS, APTLD, APNG
§
Future – APCERT, APCAUSE, IPv6
Forum, SANOG,
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Having APRICOT twice a year like
SANOG, which is trying to cover the area in
- More active volunteers are welcome. (Contact Ole)
- Revenue Stream:
§ More sponsorships: Singtel, NTT, Reach etc.
§ More participants
§ Subsidy from other organization like IAJapan
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Next APRICOT will be in
2.5
AP* Retreat secretariat by Pensri
A.
- The AP Joint Secretariat has been transformed to AP* Retreat secretariat.
- The legal cooperation of AP Joint Secretariat has been given to APAN Secretariat in April.
- Functions of AP* Retreat Secretariat:
§ Manage AP* website
§ Administer AP* Retreat
- The presenter explained about estimated expenses and incomes and invited contributions from AP* organizations. APNIC confirmed its support to the AP* retreat activity.
2.6 WSIS Updates by Izumi Aizu
- Proposed by delegates to the ITU Plenipotentiary meeting in 1998 and endorsed by the United Nations General Assembly as a multi-sectoral approach.
- Two-Phases:
§
§
- Objectives:
§ To develop a common vision and understanding of the Information Society
§ To better understand its scope and dimensions
§ To draw up a strategic plan of action for successfully adapting to the new society
- Proposed themes for WSIS
§ Access to ICTs for all
§ ICTs as tools for social and economic development
§ Confidence and security in the use of ICTs (More or less added after September 11)
- In the development issues, ICT now is proceeding as a sort of the new International Agenda and especially with UN MDG (Millennium Development Goals) adopted.
- So far, the developing countries have not been given enough set of support or strategic approaches to develop their own societies fully.
- There are some expectations that ICT made clear different role then conventional approaches, and also social impacts of ICT deepening.
- And then, the speaker gave the reasons why ICANN became the biggest focus at WSIS process.
Q: Was there anybody from ICANN or from the technical community there tried to educate these people?
A: The presenter replied that he had proposed to form some
kind of educational workshops in
2.7
ALIRE/ InterLAB Updates by Kanchana
Kanchanasut
- The presenter gave a brief update on the activities to set up a research and education lab at AIT.
- The formalization process through the AIT mechanisms was put in the processes which was already presented at AP* Retreat in 2000.
- The focus will be on research and Internet technology, social and policy issues, and also on application.
- A permanent training center will be set up for Internet engineers. Multicast are set up all over the Thai education network.
- On a degree program, a post-graduate education will be there and taking approach of having joint degree program and linkages with other educational institutions.
- Setting up the Committees to work very efficiently and effectively.
- Invitation of supports from the AP* orgs
2.8
APNIC Updates by Paul
Wilson
- The presenter started with the things happening in the APNIC.
- He gave the RIR Allocations for Ipv4 and Ipv6 by the help of graphs in PowerPoint presentation slides.
- In developments in 2003, APNIC started with the member services which have been gradually increasing services to ISPs and members of the APNIC and, helpdesk with increasingly advanced members only in the face which is called MyAPNIC.
- Trainings are ongoing with the development of training courses including DNS technical training.
- Collaboration with AIT on training administration is still in process, and discussions with SOI-Asia and ALIRE/ InterLab in the future.
- Meetings:
§ Simultaneous Interpretation (now a regular service)
§ Multicast – Trial at APNIC 15 (now a regular service)
§ Real-time Reporting – Trial at APNIC 16 (Broadcast via web and Jabber)
§ Other Activities – Onsite Notice Board (ONB) – Helpdesk
- The presenter then briefed on the Fellowship Fund.
- Outreach:
§ Meetings – SANOG II, JPNIC OPM, APJII OPM, IETF, RIRs, ICANN, WSIS, and ITU
§ Memorandum of Understanding
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- South Asia Network Operation Group (SANOG)
- Again on the technical services, explained about rootserver projects and the deployed servers.
2.9
APNG Updates by Xing Li
- The presenter gave only a short update on APNG and APNG Camp.
- The next APNG chair will be Tommy Matsumoto.
VoIP (or phone over the Internet)
is becoming increasingly common in
1.1
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In
- Changes:
§ Privatization of Public Telecom Corporation
§ Relaxation of Regulation
- Evolution of Devices:
§ Small, Wireless, High-functioned (e.g., Mobile Phones with cameras)
- Popularization of Internet and IP Technology:
§ From Circuit Exchange to Packet Data Exchange
- And then, the presenter showed the slides on Patterns of IP Phones which are already in service and the ones coming very soon.
- In terms of IP Telephony and Quality Classes, the presenter presented a comparison chart between Classes: A, B and C depending on General Voice Transmission Quality Rate, End-to-End Delay and Call Failure Rate (Connection Quality).
- From 2.27 million in end of 2002, the numbers of IP phone users will be around 22.73 million in 2007.
- Current and Future Issues:
§ Emergency Calls (under R&D)
§ Caller ID Notification from IP Phones (in service in fall 2003)
§ Call from PSTN or Mobiles to IP Phones (in service in fall 2003)
§ Call among IP Phone Service Providers
§ Call during Power Failure
1.2
- Firstly, the presenter took a quick look through why we all were concerned about VoIP and what VoIP could do.
- Technically, VoIP is a voice transmission in data packets.
- What regulations/ policies should be used to govern this new form of transmission?
§ Regulate as voice communication
§ Regulate as data communication
- The presenter explained why the VoIP became an important issue.
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Telecom Providers in
§ TOT Corporation which controls the domestic voice communications
§ CAT Corporation which controls the international voice communications and Data communications
- In terms of Regulatory Framework, TOT and CAT are both operators and regulators. Concessions based on BTO scheme to winning bidders on selected services are given. The concessions could be of the same kind of due to overlapping roles and authority.
- Talking about competition, the presenter gave some information about TOT and CAT in domestic calls, international calls and Internet services.
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VoIP is prohibited in
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Future Directions
(
§ The establishment of the National Telecommunications Committee (NTC) as independent regulatory body
§ The Telecommunications Act is in the approval process from the Parliament.
§ Long-term policy goal is set for liberalization.
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Then, the presenter gave some
information on the future of Internet in
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Some SEA countries like
- QoS of VoIP in SEA:
§
Only
- System Accessibility
- Service Activation
- Number of Complaints
§
The
§
- About the future of VoIP in SEA, the move is now going toward enterprise VoIP and private least-line infrastructure because it is much easier and the profit margin is higher in these markets.
Q:
Currently, learnt recently in
A:
The same kind of movement in the
1.3
- Firstly, the presenter gave topics on which the discussion made.
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In
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In
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And then, he explained about the
steps of VoIP introduced in
§ Phone to Phone mainly provided by SSP(type1) and FSP (1998)
§ PC (Web) to Phone mainly provided by SSP (type2) (1999)
§ IP Phone to IP Phone mainly provide by SSP (type1, 2) (2000)
§ Wireless IP Phone to Wireless IP Phone (post 2003) provided by whom?
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After that, he gave the
characteristics of Internet Telephony, and analyzed market demand in
- Internet telephony traffic dropped sharply after service is charged since 2001.
- Market size of 20 billion won at the end of 2002.
- This year, conducted a survey in order to know the market potential.
- Barriers:
§ Legal Barriers
§ Cannibalization
§ Perceptions of users
- Drivers:
§ Low Fees
§ Various Value-added Services
§ Mobility
§ Reliable service in emergencies
- But still market is not well developed. Unless there is a huge technology improvement, the market will suffer.
- And then, he moved to the policy issues for the regulators depending on classification, number and the interconnection & QoS.
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The presenter conducted the
benchmarking studies on
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In
- Finally, the presenter gave some guidelines for the policy objectives.
There are offers from several
root server sites to have the mirror sites in
2.1
Copy M/ WIDE by Akira Kato (Via VDO
Conf.)
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The presenter greeted via VDO
Conf., since he was in
- The operation of M Root DNS server started since 1997.
- Dedicated resources used from its epoch
§ 202.12.27.33 out of 202.12.27.0/24
§ AS7500
- Redundant servers and routers
§ Attaches to 3 IXes, DIX-IE/ JPNAP/ JPIX
§
Back up server operational in
- http://m.root-servers.org/
- The only root server in AP until recently.
§
F’s aggressive “local” anycast have been located in
- M Anycast: two cities are considered initially
§
- Operational in next few months
§ Secure accommodation
§ Good local connectivity
- At layer-2 exchange(s)
§ Initially with “NO-EXPORT” policy
- Relaxed with local reasons
§ IPv6 service is planned
- Unless until published in root-servers.net
- A few more sites in AP are also possible.
- Technical benefit is very important as we are WIDE.
- Depending on our budget, not 100 locations as F was constructed
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With large local community,
- With good coverage as the region
- Coverage to neighboring countries necessary
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- And the presenter invited some comments and questions.
- The presenter was thanked for presenting such illuminating information.
2.2
Copy F/ ISC by Joao Damas (Via VDO
Conf.)
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The presenter introduced himself
via VDO Conf., since he was in the
- ISC is operating f.root-servers.net
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There are 13 "root name servers"
worldwide and without them the Internet would not be able to work. Of these, ten
are located in the
- F answers queries over IPv4 on 192.5.5.241, and over IPv6 on 2001:500::1035. Service for f.root-servers.net is provided by a distributed collection of name server nodes located in various places, using a Hierarchical Anycast technique.
- By increasing the footprint of these servers with mirrors located throughout the world, the overall performance of the Internet increases as more resources are deployed to handle the growing Internet traffic and the ability to disperse malicious traffic directed at root servers expands.
- The benefits of this development will be experienced many in the region.
- A new cooperative project initiative, to bring more root server sites into Asia Pacific region. This will be done initially by installing mirror copies of the F-Root Server which is ISC and APNIC will jointly pursue the operation of new root name servers in the APNIC region, using mirror copies of the existing F-root operated by ISC.
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The ISC will maintain full and exclusive
administrative control over all copies of ‘F’. APNIC's contribution is to locate
suitable sites, and provide the equipment.
- The DNS will be strengthened by deploying additional resources to handle growing Internet traffic and to disperse malicious traffic directed at root servers.
- The new servers will be placed in locations to reach the largest possible Internet user base, including diverse IP transit providers, and carrier-neutral Internet exchanges.
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Each server will be deployed as a mirror copy
of the F-Root server which is currently operated by the ISC (Internet Software
Consortium, the non-profit organisation responsible for the "bind" software).
These copies will be announced into the Internet routing system using the "BGP
Anycast" technique.
- Every effort will be made to see root DNS queries answered locally for as many Internet Service Providers (ISPs) as possible.
- We are in the process of commissioning additional remote nodes.
- Finally, the speaker stated that he was open to suggestions for further improvement and expansions to F-Root Server deployment.
The
Internet history is over 20 years in
3.1
ISOC by Pensri A.
- The presenter visited the website www.isoc.org.
- And explained about the links from Internet Society which were put under the website.
- Also gave suggestions for submitting the Internet Histories by everyone who had these histories already in hand if they like to do so.
- ISOC is providing information on Internet Histories but not monitoring, editing, and reviewing this information.
- The presenter highlighted the interesting topics from ISOC website.
3.2
- The presenter discussed on the Internet histories which was developed year by year since 1960s to 2000s by categorizing 3 components; Global, Asia and Korea.
- Finally he gave some remarks after his presentation.
- The Internet history could be prescriptive as well as descriptive.
- Early archiving of artifacts is very important but difficult.
- There is a need involvement of specialists in media, history, museum and more as well as technology.
3.3
- The presenter started with the objectives of Internet History. These are
§ Recording of the pioneers’ efforts
§ Study on technical trend for investing the resources
§ Lessons learned from the history for the new problems; human nature will not change, though political or technical environments might face the big changes. = >> “Grass roots activities” should be based on human nature.
- The presenter discussed on a big picture in Japan by dividing five components; Network/ Protocol, Equipment/ Device, Open Source, RFC and Carrier which were developed through since 1970s to 2000s.
- Three big cable systems were constructed which are C2C, APCN2, and EAC.
- And the presenter explained about the history of international networks; ALOHANet (1980), UUCP (1985), BITNET (1985), WIDE (1989), SINET (1992), and APAN (1998).
- Finally, the presenter reviewed and gave some feedbacks on the issues discussed in two years ago.
- The Internet has faced and will face the legal issues.
4.
Regional Networking – Session Chair: Shigeki
Goto
APAN
and its peer groups are working on development of regional R&E networking.
In addition, APNIC and its peer groups are working on outreach in various
regions in
4.1
- APAN is a widely distributed network, and the clustering of nearby national networks is required for the hierarchical advanced topology.
- APAN’s strategic activities started in 2001.
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- North Cluster is expected to expand the connections to surrounding countries with slower speed as well as the high-speed as well as the high-speed connection to South Cluster planned.
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Traffic over APII,
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It is very important to connect
three countries in a triangle mode, because if one link was cut down, should
back-up route be available.
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Expect Korean team to lead and also
trying so many efforts to connect to
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Closely working with cable
companies and leaders of Internet activities.
4.2
Pacific by George
McLaughlin
- AAR Net Pty Ltd (APL) is a not for profit company owned by 37 Australian universities and CSIRO and operating a national network providing commodity and research Internet access to members (owners) and other clients (institutions that collaborate with members).
- APL is currently designing a new network for deployment in January 2004, but commercial negotiations are still in progress.
- Basic Design:
§
Dual SDH unprotected links from
§ Dual points of presence in each capital city along path
§ Using MPLS Fast Failover for protection
§ Burst capacity 2x “Protected” link capacity
§ Support IPv4 and IPv6 (unicast & multicast)
§ Support QoS (diffserv)
§ Uses MPLS-TE to minimize latency for voice/video over IP
§ Customers connect via Gigabit Ethernet
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And then, the presenter explained
about
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The main focus of the discussion
was on AARNET’s current and planned
4.3
- APAN Networks
§ National R&E networks in Asia-Pacific
§ International networks; APII, AI3, TEIN, TransPac, …
- APAN Regional Networks
§
- Gigabit CJK Network (proposal)
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2 Gbps between
- Native Gigabit IPv6 Network (proposal)
§
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Formed South East Cluster
(
§
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§
- Formed APAN South Asia Network Group to coordinate R&E networks in the region.
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Virtual Silk Highway Project by
NATO; connecting countries in
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EUMED Project by EU; connecting
countries in
4.4
EUMEDCONNECT
Project (including
- The presenter outlined the project’s goals to achieve and it’s scope and coverage.
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They are providing networks in
- The connectivity is up to 10 Gb/s and setting up linkages with more then 3100 universities.
- International Initiatives:
§
§
EUMEDCONNECT
(
§ SEEREN (West Balkans)
- Project Objectives:
§ Link national research networks of Mediterranean countries to GE¢ANT and the rest of the research world.
§ Increase research networking within the region
§ Ensure that network services and international structures are sustainable beyond the end of the project
- Beneficiary countries:
§
Already connected to GE¢ANT:
§
Other Eligible countries:
- Project Partner:
§ Coordinator – DANTE
§ Mediterranean partners; Algeria (CERIST), Cyprus (CYNET), Egypt (EUN), Israel (IUCC), Jordan (NIC), Lebanon (NCSR), Malta (UoM), Morocco (CNRST), Palestinian Authority (GCC), Syria (HIAST), Tunisia (RNRT), Turkey (ULAKBIM)
§
European partners; France
(RENATER), Greece (GRNET), Italy (GARR),
- Project Phases:
§ EUMEDIS Advisory Committee meetings – 2001
§ EUMEDCONNECT Planning studies (Phase 1) – Dec 2001 to June 2002
§ Tendering for the connectivity (Phase 2A) – Nov 2002 to Dec 2003
§ Service (Phase 2B) - Jan 2004 to June 2006
- In project funding, EC budgeted 10M Euro, which is up to 80% of total costs, and the rest was contributed by beneficiaries. The total project budget is around 12.5M Euro over project lifetime, and the costs would be shared between beneficiaries in proportion to bandwidth required.
- Project meetings are holding every 2-3 months.
- 2 technical meetings were started so far but more plans with project meetings.
- DANTE acts as interface with the EC and with service providers.
- Projects partners are on contract with DANTE and European partners are providing technical support.
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Finally, the presenter gave a
feedback that partners research networks with strong interest at very different
stages of development and project was on schedule despite the political and
economic challenges, and some difficulties when dealing with monopoly markets
except
Q:
If
A: The presenter answered that there won’t be any problem with that according to the situations of funding on the project. If with their own expenses and made some participations because the connectivity is also near to them, it would be a very promising one.
5.
ICANN/ALAC - Session Chair: Izumi
AIZU
- The presenter discussed on the issues of Asia-Pacific Individual Internet Users’ role in ICANN.
- ICANN is coordinating global Internet’s systems of unique identifiers, including systems of domain names/ numeric addresses used to reach all computers on the Internet and also coordinating related policy development.
- Recent re-organization increased role of individual user community (“At-Large”) to help guide ICANN’s activities and decisions along with other Internet stakeholders – domain name registration companies, Internet service providers, etc.
- ICANN created Interim At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) few months ago and called for framework for local, regional, global groups to promote structured involvement and informed participation of world’s “At-Large” community.
- Concerning At-Large Framework, there are local At-Large Structures focusing on participation by individual users at the local or issue level.
- 5 Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) composed of At-Large Structures, acting as main forum, coordination point in each region for public input to ICANN (Asia-Pacific one region).
- ALAC composed primarily of members selected by users in each region (RALOs), providing advice on activities of ICANN that relate to the interests of individual Internet users.
- ALAC activities:
§ Started in Feb 2003 with 10 initial members, 2 from each ICANN region
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Participated in ICANN
§ Sending “liaisons” or nominating members to other groups:
- ICANN Board, Whois Taskforce (DNSO)
- ICANN NomCom
§ 5 new members added in June
§
Proposed “Roadmap” to create
ALS/ALO adopted by ICANN Board in
§ Tasked to regional Outreach
§ Monthly Conference Calls
- And then, the presenter gave some information about At-Large participation and representation.
- In order to build At-Large Framework in Asia-Pacific, ICANN is now launching effort to form many At-Large structures, engage users in AP countries.
- Existing groups (e.g. Internet associations, professional societies, etc.) are likely the first to apply for ALS designation.
- ALS is looking for 2 countries at least from ICANN’s AP region in order to begin organizing a Regional At-Large Organization (RALO).
- And the presenter highlighted benefits, which AP users could have, and issues which would affect AP Internet users.
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The presenter mentioned a possible
approach for
- After all, Kilnam Chon’s proposal, Toru Takahashi’s recommendation and Paul Wilson’s personal viewpoint were presented.
- Finally, the presentees gave their comments on approaches presented before on ALO formation.
6.
Others and Future Meetings - Session Chair: Kilnam
Chon
- The attendees discussed on the future meetings plans and set the dates for those coming meetings.
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Proposed plan for next meeting is
- The Co-chairs are Abhisak Chulya and Izumi Aizu.
- Upcoming APRICOT main meeting will be on February 23 Monday, through Friday.
Meeting ended at 17.25 (local time).